Episode 1 - Pilot

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Yo, yo, yo. What is good, everyone? Music lovers, podcast listeners, etc. Welcome to no Alternative. This show. [00:00:32] Speaker A: This podcast showcased of all things music and all things alternative. Yep. Regards to music. Because we love music. [00:00:42] Speaker B: We are such music lovers here. I am DJ Dash, the co host of the show. I have the other co host here. [00:00:52] Speaker A: With me, but yeah, I guess no pants, Nate. That's what we're going with. It is the dead of winter right now, and I have shorts on underneath these pants and I can't wait to take them off. [00:01:05] Speaker B: Heck yeah. We're. We're gonna be taking off. We're gonna be taking off a lot of. [00:01:13] Speaker A: We're gonna be taking off lots of pants today. You know, it's getting hot in here. Take off all your clothes. [00:01:20] Speaker B: No, seriously, it is super hot in this studio. [00:01:23] Speaker A: That's gotta at least be like over 70 degrees in here. It's kind of sweltering. [00:01:28] Speaker B: But yeah, I feel like we're at least one article of clothing is going to come off during the recording of this episode. But yeah. Without further ado, forgive me, audience. I'm, like, really brain dead. I just. I just have days where my brain is just fried and I just feel like I have screws loose. But I'm going to try my best to form words together into coherent sentences for however long this episode lasts. To start this episode off, since it is the first episode of the show, I just. Nate and I thought that it would be a good idea to sort of introduce ourselves and also sort of explain the background behind this podcast or this idea for a podcast and what to really expect from this show in the future. So, yeah, I guess. I guess I'll take it from here. I guess I'll start. I am DJ Dash. I am the. I am sort of a. I guess a media artist in a way. I've always. I've always had a passion for creating things, and especially since going to college, I've had a passion with working with media. And this podcast is just another venture into the world of digital media that I'm really excited for. I've always been passionate about music as well, hence why this is a music show and not just some other sports show. No offense to Laker Sports Talk. Shout out to them, Derek Clark. That show is pretty good, but I've always been passionate with music. I think it was my senior year of high school that I started getting into, like, the first, like, first types of sort of genres of music that you can consider alternative. It was really progressive rock. Like bands like Rush, Genesis, yes bands that I inherited from my dad basically because he was into all of those kinds of bands. And then Covid hit the end of my freshman year and I started listening to like actual alternative bands. I sort of had a curated music aesthetic throughout high school that you would probably consider permanent wave. So I liked bands like Radiohead, the Cure, Smiths, Joy Division. Those were the bands that sort of influenced my music taste into sort of what it is today. Even though I've strayed a little bit from those like core permanent wave bands. That is where I sort of got my start in alternative music. And then Deftones obviously came a little bit later. But yeah, I've never been good with instruments. I've never really had the patience and especially nowadays the time to record a any music or learn how to play any musical instruments. So when I went to college, I found out about wnyo, this student radio group. And I realized that this would be a good opportunity for me to sort of get involved with the whole music scene and the music industry because I was, I always had sort of this sort of. I'd say it was a passion for radio that I had, but it was very subtle. I never really noticed it until I actually started listening to like alternative and college radio stations in my hometown. But yeah, I started doing radio my very first semester that I was here at Oswego. I'm a second semester junior now. So that's over two years that I've been doing the show. It's called Insomniac. And basically I play like everything alternative, like punk metal, you know, classic alternative. That's the kind of stuff that I play on my show. And I say play in the present tense because this show is still going on. In fact, I am on air every Monday from 8 to 10pm as of this semester. So if you ever want to tune into that, you can just go on to WNYO's website at wnyo889.org and there will be a sort of little streaming box where you can stream the show. So yeah, that's sort of where I got my start. Before I talk about how this idea for the show got started, I'll hand the mic to Nate so he can do some introductions. [00:07:42] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. So my name's Nate. I am a second semester senior at SUNY Oswego. Growing up, I never really had any strict passion for any one thing. I've always been a fan of music no matter what it was. When I was younger, my dad taught me how to play guitar. I still have My childhood guitar, it's hanging up in the wall of my room in my hometown. I learned how to play piano a couple of times in my life, and I played violin for a brief period in my life in, like, elementary school. But I've always loved music, and that's the thing that I always, I guess, like, stick to and gravitate to the most in my life. It's one of the few constants that I could always rely on for. That's just everything I'd say. My music journey really kicked off when I was in middle school in terms of. I think that was, like, the first time in my life that I had, like, my own, honestly, like, ipod, and they had, like, access to the Internet. So I was just, like, being a little, like, devious shithead in, like, middle school. But that's when I started to, like, explore my interest in music a lot more outside of the stuff that my parents would listen to. So I got pretty into, like, electronic music when I was younger, and then I kind of transitioned towards rock and indie when I was in high school, ultimately culminating to this great, like, love and passion for rap music. I still really love rap. It's just one of those things where, like, I don't know, there's not a lot of stuff happening anymore. And, like, a lot of the people that I was, like, a fan of in terms of, like, their musical endeavors and stuff, they're just kind of falling off or I don't really think of them the same way anymore. But, you know, like, I was always listening to music any chance that I got. When I graduated high school, I decided to enroll in a community college for a audio production degree. I got that degree, I transferred to SUNY Oswego, and I'm finishing up a bachelor's degree in broadcasting in community college at the radio station. I was at my college. I was one of the student station managers. And I think that's kind of where, like, my interest really piqued in terms of listening to a bunch of different music and finding music and songs I could put other people onto. And I get a lot of joy and love out of doing that, especially for friends and family of, like, hey, have you ever heard of this? Do you want to listen to this? I can put it on or I can send it to you, Stuff like that. And, yeah, I don't know, I've just always loved music so much. Nowadays, I've kind of looped back into really liking electronic music again. And I still love Indian rock music, but I find that a lot of my attention goes to whatever is happening in the underground rap scene at the current Osama Son. I don't like Osama Son that much. She was just like, constantly in my feed. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Too Slimy. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Too Slimy is also my feet a lot. I will say this, I've never really listened to a Too Slimy song, but I do have respect for him. I saw he was on some live stream with some streamer. I don't know the streamer's name, but, like, he was showing the streamer, like, the music he normally listens to. And he listens to, like, Minor Threat, which I thought was really funny. Like, he's into like, Like, I guess, like the original, like, punk movement. [00:11:13] Speaker B: I mean, that's not unheard of. A lot of underground rappers have been known to like early hardcore. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [00:11:21] Speaker B: And it's. It's kind of the same idea. It's just two different genres. It's underground. It's music made by people and not corporate mannequins. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Absolutely. And like, that's definitely something that I always find interesting is like, I guess, like the evolution and overlap between genres and cultures and movements within music as a whole. So, I mean, just talk about music right now. Recently, the Grammys were a thing. 20, 26. Oh, yeah. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Yep. And we'll be talking a little bit more about that in the later half of this episode. First, I just want to sort of explain the backstory of this show. So no, Alternative sort of started on Oswego's student run television station as. This sort of music review show. I had this idea that I was basically going to be Anthony Fantano behind a ginormous, Ginormous industry standard camera. And I was going to be just reviewing my own weird albums that I liked or disliked, depending on. There were some stinkers in there. But I realized that there wasn't really a whole lot to the video aspect of the actual show itself, aside from me having the album covers of each album that I reviewed being shown on screen. So I. I decided that I feel like I felt like it wasn't the right medium that this kind of idea could thrive best in. So I decided, hey, what if we did a podcast? It would. First of all, it would save me and Nate a lot of time. We didn't have to worry about a crew. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Especially because it's. It's. It's wtop. There are people that are going to be absent or even no showing, for sure. [00:13:54] Speaker A: It's hard to find reliability and, like, constants and anything really. This is Nothing against wtp. I love wtp, but it's hard to find people that are reliable. And sometimes there was errors behind execution on both ends, whether it was us on camera. [00:14:12] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Or people behind the scenes or. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:14:16] Speaker A: Just technical issues in general. And it was a lot more of, like, an effort and more so of a struggle without the better return of an investment, if that makes any sense. Like, it was more effort, more time, more headache for something that we weren't exactly happy with. [00:14:35] Speaker B: Yep. And that's. That's why I made the decision that I wanted. I wanted it to. I wanted it to be sort of the case where the only people we had to rely on were our own selves, and that's that. And at this point now are. Who's the person who's going to be uploading our podcasts onto streaming services? But. So, yeah, that's where we're at. [00:15:25] Speaker A: Sorry I had to burp, but the burp is passed. [00:15:28] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't hear it. [00:15:30] Speaker A: It's okay. But, yeah, so I'd say we're both very excited to get things going, so. Yeah. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Hopefully for future episodes, I'm not so sinus y, because I think that's part of it right now. I have a bit of a sinus headache. [00:15:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker B: I think I've been gunky all day. [00:15:53] Speaker A: I think I just have a headache in general. [00:15:56] Speaker B: It's because my roommate keeps leaving his window open. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Oh, he. [00:16:00] Speaker B: He never closes his window. The only time I've seen him close his window ever was Friday night when it was blowing, when snow was blowing into the room at like 40 miles per hour. That's the only time I've ever seen him close his room. [00:16:21] Speaker A: That's observing in my case. I recently got let go from a job, so I picked up a new job, and it's graveyard shifts doing food deliveries all around Oswego. And I didn't really want to sacrifice my sleep schedule and. Or my social life. So I've kind of really been abusing caffeine these past few days, and I'm just kind of now coming off of that highly caffeinated as head space and body space. And it's not. It's not the best, but, you know, it's manageable. But, yeah, I'm actually pretty happy with the job so far. It's nothing awful. I'm only like two shifts in, so can't complain. And I'm getting paid pretty okay, so. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Heck, yeah. That's sort of the best thing. That is sort of really the best. Thing that you could ask for right now is good money. Because I know that that was definitely not. Wasn't an ideal situation for anyone. I'll just say that. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker B: But. [00:17:37] Speaker A: I'll say the only thing I'm getting kind of sick of right now, though, is driving. Because it is a lot of driving. And also, like, having to contact people. That gets so annoying after a while. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:49] Speaker A: I'm sure if I opened up my, like, recent calls, it's just gonna be all these numbers that I have no idea who they are. And also, same with messages, because if they don't pick up their phone, I start texting them. And if they don't answer my text messages, if they have an iPhone, I start FaceTiming them. [00:18:03] Speaker B: Some of them. Are you mentioned that some of them are ops as well. [00:18:07] Speaker A: I haven't. [00:18:08] Speaker B: Have you had people that you had to have, like, unblock because. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Not yet. Shockingly, I've. I think I've only had about, like, two or three weird run inside so far. Which, honestly, it's not that bad. So, like, at the food delivery place, it's open from, like 4pm to 4am if you're an Oswego native, you know what I'm talking about. But I think my first night that was, like, officially working an ex of mine was, like, in the actual restaurant. And then she made it on, like, an Instagram post. So I was kind of really funny. But I didn't have any interaction with her or really see her, for that matter, so I'm fine with that. Then I had to deliver food to, I say a building on campus. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:01] Speaker A: With people that make sure not to. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Throw anyone under the bus. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Specifically, I'm not doing any specific. [00:19:07] Speaker B: I don't know who's going to be listening or watching this podcast. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Fair enough. Also, I really have to piss. I'm just realizing that now. [00:19:16] Speaker B: All right, we want to sort of do a. We're going to cut this audio clip and we'll be. We'll be right back. [00:19:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:19:24] Speaker B: With some. We're gonna talk about the Grammys next. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Grammys. Before I piss and make that kind of sounds like a Joe Swans something like, I'm speed running your granny. Anyways, this is the part of the show where we talk about the Grammys on no Alternative. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Yo, yo, yo. What's up? We're back. [00:19:43] Speaker A: Yeah. As a time of recording this. Is this a 2025 or 2026? Is it 25? [00:19:48] Speaker B: I don't know and I don't care. I just know who. I just know who won what awards and what artists got snubbed? [00:19:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. So let's talk about that. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So right here I am, I have my laptop out. I can't. I can't do things entirely. I can't go entirely off the dome, especially not today in my sinus induced trance. So we got the laptop, we're looking at the awards right now. This is no alternative, by the way, the podcast for alternative music stuff. [00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So for best rock song, the nominees were Nine Inch Nails, Sleep Token, Haley Williams, Turn Style and Young Blood. Out of those five artists, I say only three get a pass of like, should even be considered. I would say Nine Inch Nails, Haley Williams and Turnstile. [00:20:55] Speaker B: So no Sleep Token. [00:20:56] Speaker A: So no Sleep Token. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Sleep Token is okay. A lot more on Sleep Token later, but they're just okay. I'll save my Sleep Token slander for later. As alive as you need me to be by 9 inch nails won this award and I gotta say, I think this might be the best song on here to, to be nominated that could have won this award. I mean, I like Never enough by Turnstile, but it's just, that song is just way too long winded. I feel like with that song they were trying to do like a sort of a homage to Electric light Orchestra and Mr. Blue sky by doing a long ass outro. That was just boring. [00:21:55] Speaker A: Like, I do quite like that song, but also I really don't think it's. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Best rock song of like far from it. Yeah, it was a five minute song and only like three minutes of it. You could actually like play on the radio. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:22:11] Speaker B: And have audiences be interested. There are much better turnstile songs off of that album that could have been nominated for this, but I don't know. I'm not a. I'm not a Grammy award judge or whoever the hell decides what gets nominated, so. But yep, Nine Inch Nails win this, wins this one. This song was from the soundtrack to Tron Aries starring Jared Leto, which apparently sucked. [00:22:45] Speaker A: It's Jared Leto. [00:22:46] Speaker B: What did we expect exactly? Jared Leto. I hasn't really been in anything good since I think Blade Runner. [00:22:56] Speaker A: I. I guess my thing with Jared Leto is like he not get wildly off topic. He is so obviously like, he's a Hollywood favorite that they keep trying to put him in stuff to make him like succeed, but against all odds, he's like moral and his character prevents him from doing that entirely. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Exactly. Like, how is he like not blacklisted yet? He is a. He is a freak. [00:23:21] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:23:21] Speaker B: And I'm pretty sure he's also like a cult leader. I mean, I don't. I don't really. I don't really read a whole lot. [00:23:29] Speaker A: You might as well be in a cult. [00:23:30] Speaker B: I don't really read a whole lot on, like, celebrities at all because it's. I don't think it's worth my time. But I've. I've watched a couple videos on Jared Leto and I just. The whole idea of Jared Leto is just really strange. And, like, even his role in Blade Runner 2049, which is a good movie, his role in that movie was being the CEO of the Wallace Corp. That sort of just sounds. It sort of just looked like he only got that role. So he can just be a freak. [00:24:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:10] Speaker B: If you watch the movie, you'll know what scene I'm talking about. But I just found it, like. It was just so obvious, like, why he agreed to take that role. But anyways, we're not gonna go on tangents because we really don't have any other alternative but to stick with our script or. Or what we're. What we're doing for this episode. There's not really much of a script or plan or anything. We're just talking about the Grammys. Eventually we're going to have a little. Sure. [00:24:49] Speaker A: And there goes the mic, because you touched it wrong. So that's cool. We're talking about the Grammys. Hopefully we have more structure in the next episode. But moving on to the Jared Leto tangent. Best rock performance, Emil and the Sniffers. Linkin Park, Turnstile, Haley Williams. Is that Youngblood? [00:25:11] Speaker B: Yep. Youngblood won a Grammy. [00:25:14] Speaker A: I. I don't get the Young Blood hype if I'm gonna be real. I'm sure. [00:25:19] Speaker B: So basically, like, yeah, this. [00:25:24] Speaker A: I remember him from, like, TikTok in the Pandemic, and he just looked gross. That's my opinion on Young Lud. Also, I. [00:25:33] Speaker B: Wait, let me. Let me actually Google this because I think I remember this happening. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was him performing the Black Sabbath song Changes after Ozzy died. [00:25:47] Speaker A: I think so. And I think that's where, like, a lot of, like, hype and, like, attention came to him, because otherwise, I don't really like. [00:25:55] Speaker B: Oh, wait, no, I probably isn't. I might just be an idiot. Or wait, it is. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Yeah, but, like, wait, I just don't understand the Youngblood hype. And also, I hate his, like, stage name. I think, like, the way it's spelled and the way he carries himself. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, this is from. [00:26:13] Speaker A: That's just corny. [00:26:14] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure this might have been from that charity concert. I think it is from Black Sabbath's final performance. But you know what, maybe you could have nominated. You know what could have been nominated for best Rock Performance? Maybe the actual final Black Sabbath performance where Ozzy sang his ass off despite like dying. Yeah, he was literally like clinging on to life at that point. And he still performed for like a good 20. Well, like a good like almost an hour. Like because he did a solo set before the Black Sabbath. But I guess maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe there was, there was like an official recording of the song that got nominated that there wasn't an official recording of the Black Sabbath thing. But yeah, and obviously I think Youngblood did a whole or there was some sort of like big tribute for Ozzy at the Grammys. I know Chad Smith from the Red Hot Chili Peppers was part of that. Like, no offense, but what does he have to do with metal? Yeah, like it's the Red Hot Chili Peppers. But okay, so here's where, here's where I start inhaling copium here. This is where I start raging. This is the award for best rock album. The nominees were Deftones with Private Music, Heim with I Quit, Linkin park with From Zero, Never Enough by Turnstile. Turnstile got like five nominees. Got like five nominations this Grammys and then Youngblood with Idols. Thankfully Youngblood didn't win. I feel like if Youngblood would have if Youngblood won, like I feel like my trust and faith in the Grammys, which was basically already non existent for sure. I don't think it could ever be repaired like the, the Grammys basically. I have the same amount of respect for as like the NFL Pro bowl now. It's just, it's completely irrelevant now in my mind and it's just not as good. It's not. It's just. We're going to have to edit that out in post pro for sure. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Here's, here's my observation with the Grammys. I feel like with the Grammys a lot of it is like backtracking or just like wildly like misinformed, if that makes any sense. Like, or just like bad decisions in terms of like who they're nominating or who's included and who's not included. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:15] Speaker A: So like there's so much Turnstile stuff this year and I can't recall if they were ever nominated for Grammys like earlier on in their career when I would say argument their music was much better. I really do enjoy this new album, but I don't really Think it's Grammy worthy. So I feel like it's a lot of backtracking in terms of giving people credit where they should have given them credit before. And also I think they're just really stuck up on, like, paying homage to, like, the whole youngblood Black Sabbath tribute. Like, you could have just chosen something from the actual person. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Why didn't Ozzy get. Get the. Okay, I know what word I'm trying to say, but I don't know how to pronounce it because I'm a moron. I was gonna say, why don't they posthumously give him the Grammy or at. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Least have his family accepted on his behalf. Another thing, this kind of stretches beyond rock music. This year, I know Kendrick Lamar received a shit ton of Grammys. For lack of better words. He is now one of the, I believe, artists with the most Grammys ever out of, like, the rap game or performance or genre. And that kind of goes back to, like, it was either 2012 or 2013. Where. Who's the guy with the thrift shop song? Macklemore. Macklemore beat out, like, Good Kid, Mad City. Kendrick Lamar. Jesus by Kanye. I think some J. Cole projects. Yeah, Kendrick Lamar and also Jay Z. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Like, some Jay Z projects, like, continually just kept getting. He was just continually getting snubbed at the Grammys. To Pimp a Butterfly. Like, one of the best albums ever made, period. Lost to a fucking Taylor Swift album. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Exactly. Like, it's so weird. It feels like. Like, it's just. I don't really have any trust in the Grammys. It just feels so un. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it's incredible. [00:31:22] Speaker A: Or maybe I'm too critical and harsh on music. [00:31:26] Speaker B: No, you're not. [00:31:26] Speaker A: But, like, some of this stuff, like, I wouldn't even really consider Grammy worthy. You know what I mean? Like, what's Youngblood done? You know? [00:31:37] Speaker B: Or he is the grandson of Mark Bolan from T. Rex. I'm pretty sure that's why he even has a platform and career to begin with. Because he's a nepo baby. Yeah, he's a punk rock nepo baby. [00:31:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it starts somewhere, I guess, but. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but if only he had, like, talent to back it up. Yeah, if only he could, like, sing. [00:32:03] Speaker A: But I guess, like, I'm going to the best rock album, the biggest cope. I would say it's Deftones, Private Music. I think that blows the rest of these out of the water. [00:32:14] Speaker B: That is what I was going to get to. And Private Music by Deftones deserved this nomination. Never Enough by Turnstile. It was an okay album, but it was nowhere. It was nowhere near as good as Private Music. [00:32:31] Speaker A: I also think, like, it's quality versus, like, what is it? I would say, like, performance in terms of, like, how well the album is doing via sales and, like, commercial success, too. I think that plus plays into the Grammys. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:32:48] Speaker A: It really should. [00:32:50] Speaker B: It's. [00:32:50] Speaker A: That's just weird. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's how. That's kind of how mainstream music works. And the Grammys is basically just. It's. It's basically a big party for what mainstream slop is the best. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:33:11] Speaker B: But, yeah, I'm just going to say that. Say it loud and loud and clear right now. Private Music by Deftones was snubbed. It was really. It was really snubbed. And it's honestly, like, quite an inexcusable snub as well. All right, moving on. For Best Metal Performance, we're gonna speed through this because Nate and I have some other commitments to go forth with after the recording. But Best Metal Performance, we had Dream Theater, Ghost Sleep Token, and Spirit Box as nominees, but guess who won Metal Performance? It was Turnstile. Arguably Birds by Turnstile. It's. It's not metal. Now I get it. There's not a hardcore category at the Grammys. There's not a punk category at the Grammys. But, I mean, Turnstile already had, like, four other nominations. They really need another nomination for Best Metal Performance when they're not a metal band. Just because. Just because they're. Just because their guitar riffs are very fast and loud and sort of grungy. That doesn't mean that they're a metal band and that. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Honestly, quite far from it. And I've seen videos online of social media of, like, people in, like, Turnstile mosh pits getting, like, seriously injured. And everyone's like, how. Like, how did that happen? It's Turnstile. Like, it's the furthest thing from, like, metal or. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Well, the thing is Turnstile. I mean, they are. You gotta give Turnstile credit where it's due. They. They are. They are a legitimate hardcore band that came from local roots in Baltimore. I mean, they were a bunch of local city punks in their local hardcore scene, and they managed to rise to the top and get to the grave. You gotta be fucking kidding. Yeah, this is gonna be. This is gonna be awful. Like, we're just gonna have to, like. So, yeah, if. If there's any. If there's any points where we just stop talking or we skip through something, it's because we have to edit out all this damn Clipping from our speaker. So, yeah, sorry about that. But as I was saying, Turnstile got to this point through grit. They, and a lot of fans are calling them sellouts. I don't think that they're. I don't think they necessarily qualify as sellouts because they're still doing what they like doing. They're still making music that they otherwise would be making regardless. Like, they didn't sacrifice their sound in order to get to the Grammys. Now, personally, I think their new sound maybe isn't as good as some of their older stuff, or even Glow on, which is sort of the album that started their whole sort of ethereal new wave synth phase. But you got to give Turnstile credit where it's due. They. They definitely put in the work to get there. That being said, I don't think Birds by Turnstile should have won this award. I think it probably should have been Spirit Box. I mean, all these other options kind of suck, so. And Spirit Box, I think, has already gotten snubbed at the Grammys multiple times. And Soft Spine is a pretty good song. So I feel like if I were the. If I were the judge deciding, like, who wins which award, I would pick Soft Spine by Spirit Box. Now, here is. Here's an award that I was actually pretty happy with. Best Alternative music album. We got Bonavere with Sable Fable, Songs of a Lost World by the Cure, Don't Tap the Glass by Tyler the Creator, Moisturizer by Wet Leg, and Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party by Haley Williams as the nominees. And obviously what was far and away the best album that was nominated, that being Songs of a Lost World by the Cure. That one won. Have you listened to that album, Nate? [00:38:21] Speaker A: I have not. I'll admit this now. I'm not the biggest Cure fan. It's also just because I don't think I've really sat down and listened to them, just because I didn't find a starting point that I was super happy with. But I'll have to listen to them at some point soon. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you definitely should. [00:38:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Even if. Even if you don't like them, it's definitely at least worth checking out their music. Yeah, I didn't really like. I mean, I was sort of just like with the Cure when I first started getting into music, right as my Permanent Wave phase was beginning. And then I don't know why, it suddenly just clicked. I think maybe my aesthetic changed. Like, I moved away from my sort of indie hipster kind of permanent Wave aesthetic towards the more like, goth and shoegaze aesthetic that I embodied throughout high school, or at least my. Towards the end of high school. Like, that was low key. Like my insufferable phase. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Out of the other albums that were nominated, the one that sticks out like a sore thumb is that Tyler the Creator album. I don't know why it's qualified for best alternative. Yeah, I did quite. [00:39:41] Speaker B: I didn't even. I didn't even process that. Like. Like alternative hip hop. [00:39:47] Speaker A: But like, it's. It's a cool tribute album. So like early. Like Pharrell and like nerd production and even like Neptune's production. [00:39:56] Speaker B: Well, I haven't. I haven't heard it, so I. You'd be the better. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I quite liked it. There were some songs where I was like, I just can't do this anymore in terms of like sugar on my tongue. But like, I. Why is it in here? Like, why this category of all places? So, yeah, I guess to wrap things up for the best alternative music performance, we have Bon Iver Liqueur, Turnstile, Wet Leg, and Hayley Williams. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Yet another Turnstile nomination. Thankfully, they didn't win. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:30] Speaker B: Even though Seeing Stars is actually not a bad pick, I would say that's. [00:40:37] Speaker A: Probably my favorite Turnstile song. Especially is. That's off the new album, right? [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yep. It's off of Never Enough. [00:40:45] Speaker A: I think that's probably my favorite off of Never Enough. Besides, like, I care. [00:40:49] Speaker B: But that's the one that I. Seeing Stars is the one I definitely hear the most because of my. A lot of the local stations in Rochester, where I live, when I'm off campus, that a lot of those local stations have started playing that. But the winner of this award was the Cure with their song Alone. Now this one I'm actually really, really happy about because Alone is really a really glorious late career song. And it's also a song that got me through some really rough times back when this album first came out. I won't get into that during this episode just for sort of privacy reasons, but it was. It's definitely a very important track. Definitely a very important song for me. And I'm glad that the Cure finally managed to win something at the Grammys. They've had a career of 50 plus years where they've been doing what they've been doing and it's paid off. I mean, obviously it doesn't really matter anyway. It's the Grammys. Like, I'm sure for the Cure, it's just another nice thing. Thing for them to have. It's not. I don't even think you'll. It won't even really change their legacy in any way because it's the Grammys, like, who's going to give a crap? But, yeah, I am really happy about that. So we are starting to run a little bit low on time. Nate and I have to head out to work on some other endeavors of ours and also attend a Super bowl party. So now you know which day this was recorded. But any closing words? [00:42:54] Speaker A: I don't think so. But, yeah, thanks for listening. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks for listening. [00:42:58] Speaker A: This is no Pants Nate. [00:43:00] Speaker B: And this is DJ Dash. And I'll say it myself. Thank you for listening. We hope to bring better produced episodes in the future with hopefully less clipping. [00:43:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:43:17] Speaker B: All right. [00:43:17] Speaker A: This is my new alternative of signing off. [00:43:20] Speaker B: Signing off. [00:43:21] Speaker A: See ya, Deuces.